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	Comments on: Russell Orr&#8217;s open letter to the Whakatane Council	</title>
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	<description>Looking at the science and countering the misinformation on fluoridation</description>
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		By: Daniel Ryan		</title>
		<link>http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-232</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 09:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-231&quot;&gt;Richard Christie&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Kane’s factoid seems disingeniously designed to suggest otherwise.&quot;
Indeed. It isn&#039;t cost effective with water supplies fewer than 1000 people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-231">Richard Christie</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Kane’s factoid seems disingeniously designed to suggest otherwise.&#8221;<br />
Indeed. It isn&#8217;t cost effective with water supplies fewer than 1000 people.</p>
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		By: Richard Christie		</title>
		<link>http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-231</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Christie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 08:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-230&quot;&gt;Daniel Ryan&lt;/a&gt;.

I understand it is not cost effective to offer fluoridation to small or rural population populations. That almost 60% of NZ&#039;s total population does receive fluoridated water strongly suggests very high uptake in metropolitan and other areas in which it is effective to supply it.

Kane&#039;s factoid seems disingeniously designed to suggest otherwise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-230">Daniel Ryan</a>.</p>
<p>I understand it is not cost effective to offer fluoridation to small or rural population populations. That almost 60% of NZ&#8217;s total population does receive fluoridated water strongly suggests very high uptake in metropolitan and other areas in which it is effective to supply it.</p>
<p>Kane&#8217;s factoid seems disingeniously designed to suggest otherwise.</p>
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		By: Daniel Ryan		</title>
		<link>http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-230</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 04:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-229&quot;&gt;Richard Christie&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;The population comparison between fluoridated and nonfluoridated regions would be a more relevant and interesting figure.&quot;
The recent cost effective analysis from massey quotes &quot;Approximately 56% of New Zealander’s have access to fluoridated water&quot;. 
http://publichealth.massey.ac.nz/assets/Uploads/Fluoride-poster-draft-5-final-CORRECTIONS-3.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-229">Richard Christie</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;The population comparison between fluoridated and nonfluoridated regions would be a more relevant and interesting figure.&#8221;<br />
The recent cost effective analysis from massey quotes &#8220;Approximately 56% of New Zealander’s have access to fluoridated water&#8221;.<br />
<a href="http://publichealth.massey.ac.nz/assets/Uploads/Fluoride-poster-draft-5-final-CORRECTIONS-3.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://publichealth.massey.ac.nz/assets/Uploads/Fluoride-poster-draft-5-final-CORRECTIONS-3.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Richard Christie		</title>
		<link>http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-229</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Christie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 03:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-218&quot;&gt;Kane&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;Only 22 of 67 Councils.&lt;/i&gt;

Do you have the  population totals that these councils serve? The population comparison between fluoridated and nonfluoridated regions would be a more relevant and interesting figure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-218">Kane</a>.</p>
<p><i>Only 22 of 67 Councils.</i></p>
<p>Do you have the  population totals that these councils serve? The population comparison between fluoridated and nonfluoridated regions would be a more relevant and interesting figure.</p>
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		By: Kane		</title>
		<link>http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-228</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2016 12:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-224&quot;&gt;Ken&lt;/a&gt;.

Ken, for the record how many people heard you speak at your Auckland presentation last year?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-224">Ken</a>.</p>
<p>Ken, for the record how many people heard you speak at your Auckland presentation last year?</p>
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		By: Daniel Ryan		</title>
		<link>http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-227</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2016 10:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-216&quot;&gt;Kane&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;No, the Council used the information to make a sound decision regarding fluoridation.&quot;
So you totally disagree with what Russell Orr said?

&quot;That is a bit arrogant of you Daniel but it is what we have come to expect.&quot;
How was it arrogant? I wasn&#039;t there. I was just asking who was your expert? 
Did you Skype someone in? Showed a letter? Etc.

&quot;Dan the referendum was ‘Non-binding’. Do you not understand that? Councillors don’t have to follow the result of the referendum.&quot;
Yes I know. But just seems like a waste of money. 

&quot;Yes, and that is why the Council is looking at diverting the funds originally used to add a hazardous waste to the shared public water supply to a program that actually works.&quot;
$3000 or so isn&#039;t going to fund much. You need at least $50 per child at least (if just targeting children). 

&quot;Pretending to be opposed to fluoridation&quot;
I doubt it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-216">Kane</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;No, the Council used the information to make a sound decision regarding fluoridation.&#8221;<br />
So you totally disagree with what Russell Orr said?</p>
<p>&#8220;That is a bit arrogant of you Daniel but it is what we have come to expect.&#8221;<br />
How was it arrogant? I wasn&#8217;t there. I was just asking who was your expert?<br />
Did you Skype someone in? Showed a letter? Etc.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dan the referendum was ‘Non-binding’. Do you not understand that? Councillors don’t have to follow the result of the referendum.&#8221;<br />
Yes I know. But just seems like a waste of money. </p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, and that is why the Council is looking at diverting the funds originally used to add a hazardous waste to the shared public water supply to a program that actually works.&#8221;<br />
$3000 or so isn&#8217;t going to fund much. You need at least $50 per child at least (if just targeting children). </p>
<p>&#8220;Pretending to be opposed to fluoridation&#8221;<br />
I doubt it.</p>
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		By: Daniel Ryan		</title>
		<link>http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-226</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2016 09:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-223&quot;&gt;chris price&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I notice you “forgot ” to mention the letter you recieved&quot;
The letter which I added into the main post (in case anyone missed that).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-223">chris price</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I notice you “forgot ” to mention the letter you recieved&#8221;<br />
The letter which I added into the main post (in case anyone missed that).</p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
		<link>http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-225</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2016 08:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-222&quot;&gt;Kane&lt;/a&gt;.

I have to laugh at the judicial review threat - have you been talking to the NZ Health Trust - the big business group financing anti-fluoide legal activity?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-222">Kane</a>.</p>
<p>I have to laugh at the judicial review threat &#8211; have you been talking to the NZ Health Trust &#8211; the big business group financing anti-fluoide legal activity?</p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
		<link>http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-224</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2016 08:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-222&quot;&gt;Kane&lt;/a&gt;.

A quotem on a very unreliable web site known for dishonesty.

But she also said:

&quot;Personally I would love to see all water supplies that Council Manages include fluoride, but there was several communities who seem opposed to its inclusion and as we agreed to run a referendum (albeit non-binding), it should be given much higher consideration than it was last week.&quot;

It&#039;s a matter of demcioracy - as it was in Hamilton. Hamilton councillors ignored their voters and ended up looking stupid as a result - and Hamiltonians were embarrased.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-222">Kane</a>.</p>
<p>A quotem on a very unreliable web site known for dishonesty.</p>
<p>But she also said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Personally I would love to see all water supplies that Council Manages include fluoride, but there was several communities who seem opposed to its inclusion and as we agreed to run a referendum (albeit non-binding), it should be given much higher consideration than it was last week.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a matter of demcioracy &#8211; as it was in Hamilton. Hamilton councillors ignored their voters and ended up looking stupid as a result &#8211; and Hamiltonians were embarrased.</p>
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		By: chris price		</title>
		<link>http://msof.nz/2016/02/russell-orrs-open-letter-to-the-whakatane-council/#comment-223</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris price]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2016 08:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kane  On the whakatane Facebook page you make a big statement about how the fluoridated areas and non fluoridated areas had little difference
I notice you &quot;forgot &quot; to mention the letter you recieved from the D.H.B. that contained some interesting facts that would have made your story rubbish, if they had been released at the time of the council decision
The Whankatane public need to take note of this and remember. Never trust the arguments from the activists at any stage. They are good at adjusting the facts to suit the required result]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kane  On the whakatane Facebook page you make a big statement about how the fluoridated areas and non fluoridated areas had little difference<br />
I notice you &#8220;forgot &#8221; to mention the letter you recieved from the D.H.B. that contained some interesting facts that would have made your story rubbish, if they had been released at the time of the council decision<br />
The Whankatane public need to take note of this and remember. Never trust the arguments from the activists at any stage. They are good at adjusting the facts to suit the required result</p>
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