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	Comments on: Guest post: Councillors abused and libelled by anti-fluoride activists	</title>
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		By: Roger Stratford		</title>
		<link>https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-299</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Stratford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2020 04:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daniel, stop repeating claims made against you and attempting to shoot them down. For all we know, Trump supports municipal water fluoridation - so there we go. Your correspondents&#039; science is hearsay, from those not prepared to wait out for the research, which hasn&#039;t come back yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, stop repeating claims made against you and attempting to shoot them down. For all we know, Trump supports municipal water fluoridation &#8211; so there we go. Your correspondents&#8217; science is hearsay, from those not prepared to wait out for the research, which hasn&#8217;t come back yet.</p>
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		By: Ken Perrott		</title>
		<link>https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-116</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Perrott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-111&quot;&gt;Ken Perrott&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep, it is now linked to Harvard Univiersity!

Obviously Kane is on good terms with this guy.

But what about publicly dissacociating from the content of that page - the abuse and libel of councillors. Surely FFNZ should be up to that - unless they find such dog whistling support for their cause handy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-111">Ken Perrott</a>.</p>
<p>Yep, it is now linked to Harvard Univiersity!</p>
<p>Obviously Kane is on good terms with this guy.</p>
<p>But what about publicly dissacociating from the content of that page &#8211; the abuse and libel of councillors. Surely FFNZ should be up to that &#8211; unless they find such dog whistling support for their cause handy.</p>
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		By: Luke Duane Oldfield		</title>
		<link>https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-115</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke Duane Oldfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-86&quot;&gt;Linda Rosa&lt;/a&gt;.

Great.  As Dan said, please don&#039;t hesitate to get in contact if you need anything.  

After a few successes in Michigan and Kansas we&#039;re more than happy to extend some support to our friends in the United States.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-86">Linda Rosa</a>.</p>
<p>Great.  As Dan said, please don&#8217;t hesitate to get in contact if you need anything.  </p>
<p>After a few successes in Michigan and Kansas we&#8217;re more than happy to extend some support to our friends in the United States.</p>
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		By: Daniel Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-114</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-111&quot;&gt;Ken Perrott&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;He isn’t a part of FFNZ and I have asked him to remove our links. End of story.&quot;
Thank you Kane.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-111">Ken Perrott</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;He isn’t a part of FFNZ and I have asked him to remove our links. End of story.&#8221;<br />
Thank you Kane.</p>
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		By: Luke Duane Oldfield		</title>
		<link>https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-113</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke Duane Oldfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-91&quot;&gt;T A Crosbie&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh dear, another evidence free rant.

Rhetoric is doing you no benefit, Trevor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-91">T A Crosbie</a>.</p>
<p>Oh dear, another evidence free rant.</p>
<p>Rhetoric is doing you no benefit, Trevor.</p>
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		By: Kane		</title>
		<link>https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-112</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 09:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-111&quot;&gt;Ken Perrott&lt;/a&gt;.

The About section on that page no longer contains the link you are talking about. That person is saying a  lot of things that we have refuted ie Nazi myth being one example. He isn&#039;t a part of FFNZ and I have asked him to remove our links. End of story.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-111">Ken Perrott</a>.</p>
<p>The About section on that page no longer contains the link you are talking about. That person is saying a  lot of things that we have refuted ie Nazi myth being one example. He isn&#8217;t a part of FFNZ and I have asked him to remove our links. End of story.</p>
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		By: Ken Perrott		</title>
		<link>https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-111</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Perrott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-105&quot;&gt;Kane&lt;/a&gt;.

Kane - this reminds me of the sillyness over Vinney Edwards and his libellous video attack on me. I asked Mary to stop promoting it and to reprimand him. She said he was not a FFNZ member. But of course no-one is a FFNZ member - there isn&#039;t a formal membership. Very handy.

I then asked her to dissociate FFNZ from the attack - she refused.

And of course FFNZ went on promoting the video and maintain their assocaition with that nutter.

The person promoting the Turangi page and petition certianly sees himself as part of FFNZ - whatever you say.

His &quot;about section&quot; can be seen as implying that the formation of his page was part of the start of the FFNZ campaign in the Taupo region. And the absence of any other FFNZ Taupo/Turangi page supports that.

So, Kane, is FFNZ prepared to publicly dissociate itself from the Turangi page because of its abusive and libellous content? 

Is FFNZ prepared to publicly condemn those methods?

And is FFNZ prepared to publicly ask him to remove the link to FFNZ, with its implication of being part of the organisation?

Until FFNZ does I will intepret your silence as accepting that he is part of your movement (even if informally), associated with your organisation (even if informally), and that you are condoning his attacks by your silence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-105">Kane</a>.</p>
<p>Kane &#8211; this reminds me of the sillyness over Vinney Edwards and his libellous video attack on me. I asked Mary to stop promoting it and to reprimand him. She said he was not a FFNZ member. But of course no-one is a FFNZ member &#8211; there isn&#8217;t a formal membership. Very handy.</p>
<p>I then asked her to dissociate FFNZ from the attack &#8211; she refused.</p>
<p>And of course FFNZ went on promoting the video and maintain their assocaition with that nutter.</p>
<p>The person promoting the Turangi page and petition certianly sees himself as part of FFNZ &#8211; whatever you say.</p>
<p>His &#8220;about section&#8221; can be seen as implying that the formation of his page was part of the start of the FFNZ campaign in the Taupo region. And the absence of any other FFNZ Taupo/Turangi page supports that.</p>
<p>So, Kane, is FFNZ prepared to publicly dissociate itself from the Turangi page because of its abusive and libellous content? </p>
<p>Is FFNZ prepared to publicly condemn those methods?</p>
<p>And is FFNZ prepared to publicly ask him to remove the link to FFNZ, with its implication of being part of the organisation?</p>
<p>Until FFNZ does I will intepret your silence as accepting that he is part of your movement (even if informally), associated with your organisation (even if informally), and that you are condoning his attacks by your silence.</p>
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		By: Daniel Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-110</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2015 22:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-106&quot;&gt;Daniel Ryan&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Is this page not public?&quot;
Of course it is. But you haven&#039;t asked in here for them to take it down. But anyone on that page wouldn&#039;t see these comments anyway.
Just giving tips if you actually wanted to distance yourself from them, otherwise feel free to ignore my advice. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-106">Daniel Ryan</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Is this page not public?&#8221;<br />
Of course it is. But you haven&#8217;t asked in here for them to take it down. But anyone on that page wouldn&#8217;t see these comments anyway.<br />
Just giving tips if you actually wanted to distance yourself from them, otherwise feel free to ignore my advice. </p>
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		By: Kane		</title>
		<link>https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-108</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2015 22:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-106&quot;&gt;Daniel Ryan&lt;/a&gt;.

Is this page not public?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-106">Daniel Ryan</a>.</p>
<p>Is this page not public?</p>
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		By: Daniel Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-106</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-105&quot;&gt;Kane&lt;/a&gt;.

Wouldn&#039;t you want to contact them and say take it down? If you did it publicly then people know you&#039;re not part of that group even if they didn&#039;t take it down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://msof.nz/2015/02/councillors-abused-and-libelled-by-anti-fluoride-activists/#comment-105">Kane</a>.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you want to contact them and say take it down? If you did it publicly then people know you&#8217;re not part of that group even if they didn&#8217;t take it down.</p>
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