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We have had plenty of gish gallopers on the Making Sense of Fluoride Facebook page and dealing with one is usually a waste of time. You would spend many long hours reading and then debunking materials. Rinse and repeat. Sometimes if you are quick enough you get a nice win.

The Gish Gallop is the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent of small arguments that their opponent cannot possibly answer or address each one in real-time. More often than not, these myriad arguments are full of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments — the only condition is that there be many of them, not that they be particularly compelling on their own.Rational Wiki

Most posts start innocently enough like so…

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At the time I was busy so I left a polite message and that was when the gish galloping started.

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Gish gallop is strong with this one

Tackling the original post.

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My reply to the gish galloping.

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This is where I would usually stop but I thought this time I’ll see how far I get. Now for the painful part, hunting down every abstract. If the abstract wasn’t descriptive enough, trying to find the full paper. In the end I looked at every reference.

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Successfully vanquished.

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Read the full Facebook thread here.

 

 

 

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Declan Waugh makes a fool of himself on Facebook https://msof.nz/2015/01/declan-waugh-makes-a-fool-of-himself-on-facebook/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=declan-waugh-makes-a-fool-of-himself-on-facebook https://msof.nz/2015/01/declan-waugh-makes-a-fool-of-himself-on-facebook/#respond Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:21:32 +0000 http://msof.nz/?p=330 Declan Waugh is continually searching the scientific literature to find something, anything, he can use to discredit community water fluoridation. Problem is, he really doesn't read things properly and any close checking of his claims show they are just not warranted. However, his lack of checking must have left him with a red face the [...]

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Declan Waugh is continually searching the scientific literature to find something, anything, he can use to discredit community water fluoridation. Problem is, he really doesn’t read things properly and any close checking of his claims show they are just not warranted.

However, his lack of checking must have left him with a red face the other day when he claimed that the abstract of a paper had been changed to hide the dangers of fluoride!

Trouble is – he was confused and was actually looking at two completely different papers!

They were:

  1. Lennart Krook and Ronald R Minor (1998) FLUORIDE AND ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE, Fluoride 31(4), 177-182
  2. Khokher MA1, Dandona P (1990).Fluoride stimulates

No wonder the abstracts were different!

Oh well, I guess it is easy to confuse “Krook” and “Khokher” when you are so busy cherry picking and confirming one’s bias that checking and understanding is the last thing on your mind.

Still, it’s a warning isn’t it. This self-proclaimed “Scientist and fluoride researcher” really has no understanding of research – or even how to read scientific papers.

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Is theobromine better than fluoride? https://msof.nz/2013/11/is-theobromine-better-than-fluoride/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=is-theobromine-better-than-fluoride https://msof.nz/2013/11/is-theobromine-better-than-fluoride/#respond Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:42:01 +0000 http://msof.nz/?p=195 Is theobromine better than fluoride? "An organic compound, theobromine, found in chocolate is better than fluoride at remineralising and hardening tooth enamel, according to a new study published in Caries Research. The study investigated the surface micro-hardness of enamel after artificial enamel lesions were treated with theobromine, fluoride or artificial saliva. While artificial saliva did [...]

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Is theobromine better than fluoride?

“An organic compound, theobromine, found in chocolate is better than fluoride at remineralising and hardening tooth enamel, according to a new study published in Caries Research.

The study investigated the surface micro-hardness of enamel after artificial enamel lesions were treated with theobromine, fluoride or artificial saliva. While artificial saliva did not contribute to enamel remineralisation, theobromine demonstrated mineral gain at a greater rate than fluoride. By increasing the size of apatite crystals that form and strengthen enamel, theobromine makes teeth less vulnerable to bacterial acid erosion that can eventually lead to cavities.”

http://www.nature.com/bdj/journal/v214/n10/full/sj.bdj.2013.499.html

 
Direct from the paper:

Remineralization of Artificial Enamel Lesions by Theobromine (2013)

“Results: SMH indicated significant (p < 0.01) remineralization only with theobromine (38 ± 32%) and toothpaste (29 ± 16%). With TMR (Δz/lD), theobromine and toothpaste exhibited significantly (p < 0.01) higher mineral gain relative to artificial saliva. With SMH and TMR, remineralization produced by theobromine and toothpaste was not significantly different. With EDS, calcium deposition was significant in all groups, but not significantly different among the groups (theobromine 13 ± 8%, toothpaste 10 ± 5%, and artificial saliva 6 ± 8%).
Conclusion: The present study demonstrated that theobromine in an apatite-forming medium can enhance the remineralization potential of the medium.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23615395

 
Other studies looking at theobromine:

Theobromine Effects on Enamel Surface Microhardness: In Vitro (2012)

“Results: Increasing enamel microhardness was observed after treatment with four different theobromine concentration. The highest increased of enamel microhardness was shown in T1000 group and difference compared to other group were statistically significant (p<0.05). Conclusion: Theobromine is a potential dental caries prevention material due to its effect in improving the surface microhardness of tooth enamel.”

http://www.jdentistry.ui.ac.id/index.php/JDI/article/download/138/127

 

Effect of Theobromine on Enamel Surface Hardness: An in-vitro Study (2010)

“Results: Surface microhardness (SMH) was measured at baseline, after demineralization and after theobromine 100 ml, 200 mg/l and remineralization, SMH showed statistically significant differences between baseline, after demineralization and theobromine 100 mg/l (p=0.0023) and theobromine 200mg/l application (p=0.0016). SMH showed that 200 mg/l Theobromine protected enamel specimens greater than 100 mg/l(p < 0.05).
Conclusion: Microhardness alterations are directly associated with mineral changes in superficial layers. Theobromine 200 mg/l may seem to have positive effect on enamel remineralization.”

https://iadr.confex.com/iadr/2010barce/webprogram/Paper136589.html

 

Theobromine increases crystal size (2002)

“Results: X-ray diffractometry showed larger crystallites and the amounts of each Ca, P and Mg released from the enamel surface were significantly less than that of the control over an 80 min. period (P<0.05). Electron microprobe analysis indicated the same weight percent content of Ca and P between the experimental and control groups. This suggests that the proportional increases of Ca and P ratio. Large crystal size is correlated with resistance to dissolution. Theobromine and fluoride are the only two substances that increase crystal size. However, theobromine may be superior to fluoride because it is less toxic. Theobromine is a naturally occurring purine derivative present in cocoa and chocolate products.
Conclusions: The intake of theobromine in early life may increase the crystal size of the tooth surface during developing stages. This increase of crystal size of enamel makes the tooth less soluble to the acid attack.”

https://iadr.confex.com/iadr/2002SanDiego/techprogram/abstract_12740.htm

 
To sum up here, there is some interesting research showing theobromine helping teeth, but a lot more studies over many more years will need to be done to see if it can be a replacement for fluoride.

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List of peer reviewed papers from this year on fluoridation https://msof.nz/2013/09/list-of-peer-reviewed-papers-from-this-year-on-fluoridation/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=list-of-peer-reviewed-papers-from-this-year-on-fluoridation https://msof.nz/2013/09/list-of-peer-reviewed-papers-from-this-year-on-fluoridation/#respond Sat, 14 Sep 2013 09:36:10 +0000 http://msof.nz/?p=150 I have made a list of peer-reviewed papers from this year that I've found. Conclusion - it is still an effective way to prevent dental caries.   Fluoridation and dental caries severity in young children treated under general anaesthesia: an analysis of treatment records in a 10-year case series. http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/23550501 "Children with severe dental caries had statistically [...]

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I have made a list of peer-reviewed papers from this year that I’ve found. Conclusion – it is still an effective way to prevent dental caries.

 
Fluoridation and dental caries severity in young children treated under general anaesthesia: an analysis of treatment records in a 10-year case series.
http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/23550501

“Children with severe dental caries had statistically significantly lower numbers of lesions if they lived in a fluoridated area. The lower treatment need in such high-risk children has important implications for publicly funded dental care.”

Water Fluoridation and the Association of Sugar-Sweetened Beverage Consumption and Dental Caries in Australian Children
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/ajph.2012.300889

“Consumption of SSBs should be considered a major risk factor for dental caries. However, increased exposure to fluoridated public water helped ameliorate the association between SSB consumption and dental decay. These results reconfirm the benefits of community water fluoridation for oral health.”

High caries prevalence and risk factors among young preschool children in an urban community with water fluoridation
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ipd.12023/abstract

“The high caries rate suggests that current preventive methods to reduce caries in Singapore may have reached their maximum effectiveness, and other risk factors such as child’s race, and dietary and breastfeeding habits need to be addressed.”

The economic value of Quebec’s water fluoridation program
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10389-013-0578-3

“The results showed that the drinking-water fluoridation program produced substantial savings. Public health decision-makers could develop economic arguments to support wide deployment of this population-based intervention whose efficacy and safety have been demonstrated and acknowledged.”

Water fluoridation in 40 Brazilian cities: 7 year analysis
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1678-77572013000100013&script=sci_arttext

“The majority of samples from cities performing fluoridation had fluoride levels within the range that provides the best combination of risks and benefits, minimizing the risk of dental fluorosis while preventing dental caries. The conduction of studies about water distribution systems is suggested in cities with high natural fluoride concentrations in order to optimize the use of natural fluoride for fluoridation costs and avoid the risk of dental fluorosis.”

Contemporary perspective on the use of fluoride products in caries prevention
http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038/sj.bdj.2013.162

“Alternatively, when fluoride is provided in the drinking water or through professionally applied F-varnishes or gels, the patient will benefit without requiring daily compliance to its use. The latter methods are particularly effective as additional treatments in high caries individuals.”

Effects of Fluoridated Drinking Water on Dental Caries in Australian Adults
http://www.ada.org.au/app_cmslib/media/lib/1303/m537918_v1_nsaoh%20fluoridation%20paper.pdf

“Based on this combined body of evidence, we believe that the current findings of an inverse association between water fluoridation and caries experience provide reasonable evidence of a causal, preventive effect in Australian adults. The caries preventive effects of water fluoridation were at least as great in adults born before widespread implementation of fluoridation as after widespread implementation of fluoridation”

Seven years of external control of fluoride levels in the public water supply in Bauru, São Paulo, Brazil
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1678-77572013000100092&script=sci_arttext

“The benefit of the fluoridation of public water is proportionally larger in the segments of society that do not have access to other fluoride sources such as fluoride dentifrices and which, therefore, need it the most 14 . However, fluoride levels in drinking water have to be adequate to prevent dental caries and, at the same time, not increase the risk for dental fluorosis.
In summary, the results of the present study reinforce the belief in the importance of the implementation and maintenance of external control of fluoride in water supplies to improve the consistency of water fluoridation. External control should be implemented wherever there is adjusted fluoridation, and certainly in communities where fluctuations in water fluoride levels have been revealed. This measure is fundamental to achieve the maximum benefits of water fluoridation, which contributes to improve the oral health condition of people who drink water from those supplies.”

Fluorosis and Dental Caries in Mexican Schoolchildren Residing in Areas with Different Water Fluoride Concentrations and Receiving Fluoridated Salt
http://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/346616

“The prevalence of fluorosis was associated with the water fluoride concentration. Fluorosis at moderate and severe levels was associated with a higher prevalence of dental caries, compared with lesser degrees of fluorosis. The impact of dental fluorosis should be considered in dental public health programs.”

Effect of the widespread use of fluorides on the occurrence of hidden caries in children.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22348554

“The results do indicate that the widespread use of fluoride via public water supply and dentifrices decreases the prevalence of hidden caries.”

Malocclusion status among 15 years old adolescents in relation to fluoride concentration and area of residence
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23852225

“The prevalence and severity of malocclusion was more in urban than rural areas, more among females than males, and it decreased with increasing concentration of fluoride in drinking water.”

Factors associated with surface-level caries incidence in children aged 9 to 13: the Iowa Fluoride Study
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jphd.12028/abstract

“D2+F incidence on first molar occlusal surfaces in these young adolescents was associated with prior caries experience on other teeth as well as prior evidence of a D1 lesion on the occlusal surface. More frequent tooth brushing was protective of sound surfaces, and fluoride in home tap water was also protective, but significantly more so for adolescents in low-income families.”

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